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Does matlab supports rational number types?

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Anver Hisham
Anver Hisham am 29 Sep. 2016
Bearbeitet: Stephen23 am 3 Apr. 2024
I see Matlab stores numbers in floating points [1], which causes round of errors!
For eg:
The above round off error is resulted, because 10^-5 is not a valid 64 bit floating point number in matlab.
However in *Mathematica*, numbers can be stored in rational format [2] (ie integer/integer format), which avoids any round off error for the same computations.
So my question is, will it be possible to avoid such round of errors in matlab?
[2]: https://reference.wolfram.com/language/tutorial/LinearAlgebraMatrixTypes.html
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Adam
Adam am 29 Sep. 2016
I think you need the Symbolic Maths toolbox to have handling for this.
Stephen23
Stephen23 am 3 Apr. 2024
Bearbeitet: Stephen23 am 3 Apr. 2024
All binary floating point numbers are rational numbers.
Also note that the proposed solution just shifts the problem: how should those two integers be stored? Presumably they would be finite integers stored on your computer... which means that there will always be rational numbers that cannot be represented (unless you happen to have infinite memory installed on your laptop).
Using (finite) rational numbers (in the sense the OP proposed) does not completely avoid errors: there are many more irrational numbers than rational numbers, some of which are commonly used. For example, there is no way to exactly represent e.g. sqrt(2) or pi or e as ratios of finite integers. Any attempt to store those values numerically will always include some error.

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John D'Errico
John D'Errico am 29 Sep. 2016
MATLAB uses floating point numbers by default. This makes it more efficient to do things like work well on large scale linear algebra problems, but it introduces problems like this. There is no fractional integer class in MATLAB. (Well, there was one posted on the FEX that I recall, that worked with my own vpi.)
Yes, you can use the symbolic toolbox to do the kinds of things you want to do. But you then need to recognize that those computations will be quite a bit slower. You trade off speed for ultimate precision. And given the number of people who are never satisfied with the speed of their computers on any given problem, speed is important.
In the end, the real solution is to learn to use floating point arithmetic. That is a skill and sometimes an art. It is the gist of scores of numerical methods courses, teaching students how to do computations without falling under the wheels of a limited number of digits in their computations.
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Walter Roberson
Walter Roberson am 8 Mär. 2023
quite true, rationals can be useful. Unfortunately, there is no hardware support for rationals.
Omar Lakkis
Omar Lakkis am 3 Apr. 2024
Bearbeitet: Omar Lakkis am 3 Apr. 2024
The power 5 is a distraction, in fact the example works with squares in the following form
0.01-(0.1)^2
and the reason is that the rational number 1/10 has the infinite (periodic) binary expansion: 0.000110011... This means that using 0.1 in a calculation, except in the simplest situation, will necessarily introduce rounding errors.
A commong misconception is that the smaller the numbers the harder are they to represent as floats, but this is not true. It is instructive to compare the above with the following (luckily exact) operation
0.00390625-(0.0625)^2

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