Can MatLab help this beginner with a chemistry problem about acid-base titrations

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I have never used MatLab before and have the following equation
ca, cb, Ka, Kb, Kw and Va are either constants or pre-determined (Va). I know it should be easy to tabulate/calculate values of Vb for given values of [H+] (hydrogen ion concentration) but how easy would it be to determine values of [H+] for selected values of Vb? Would it be easy to set up bearing in mind my lack of experience?

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Star Strider
Star Strider am 11 Okt. 2022
Bearbeitet: Star Strider am 11 Okt. 2022
I was in the process of posting a response to the yesterday when my computer sbruptly crashed (in the wake of the Win 11 2022 2 ‘upgrade’).
Vbfcn = @(Ca,Cb,Ka,Kb,Kw,Va,H) Va.*((Ca./(1+H./Ka) - H + Kw./H) ./ (Cb./(1+Kw./(H*Kb)) + H - Kw./H));
Ca = rand*1E-7;
Cb = rand*1E-7;
Ka = rand*1E-7;
Kb = rand*1E-7;
Kw = rand*1E-7;
Va = rand*1E-7;
H = fminunc(@(H)Vbfcn(Ca,Cb,Ka,Kb,Kw,Va,H), 1)
Initial point is a local minimum. Optimization completed because the size of the gradient at the initial point is less than the value of the optimality tolerance.
H = 1
I am not certain what you’re doing with this. Choose the appropriate solver for the problem. There are several optons.
EDIT — (11 Oct 2022 at 18:40)
One approach —
Ca = 0.1;
Cb = 0.05;
Va = 20;
Ka = 1.8E-5;
Kb = 1.8E-5;
Kw = 1E-14;
Vbfcn = @(Ca,Cb,Ka,Kb,Kw,Va,H) Va.*((Ca./(1+H./Ka) - H + Kw./H) ./ (Cb./(1+Kw./(H*Kb)) + H - Kw./H));
Vbv = (1:0.5:40);
for k = 1:numel(Vbv)
Hv(k) = fsolve(@(H)norm(Vbv(k) - Vbfcn(Ca,Cb,Ka,Kb,Kw,Va,H)), 1E-7);
end
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figure
plot(Vbv, Hv)
grid
xlabel('V_b')
ylabel('[H^+]')
figure
semilogy(Vbv, Hv)
grid
xlabel('V_b')
ylabel('[H^+]')
I leave the rest to you.
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Paul
Paul am 12 Okt. 2022
Many thanks - I now have plenty to work on whilst I start learning. All your effort and time is very much appreciated.
Star Strider
Star Strider am 12 Okt. 2022
My pleasure!
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Image Analyst
Image Analyst am 10 Okt. 2022
Just take it one small step at a time, like
H = 2;
Ka = 30;
Kw = 50;
term1 = 1 + H/Ka;
term2 = -H + Kw/H;
numerator = (Ca / term1) + term2;
Similar for the denominator, then
Vb = Va * (numerator / denominator);
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Paul
Paul am 11 Okt. 2022
That answers the first part of the question but not the second part which is:
How to calculate H for different values of Vb (assuming Va and the other values are constant or known)
John D'Errico
John D'Errico am 12 Okt. 2022
@Paul And the answer to that is to spend some time learning MATLAB.

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Paul
Paul am 11 Okt. 2022
What I am trying to do is this (with some typical values)
Ca = 0.1 Cb = 0.05 Va = 20 Ka = 1.8 * 10^-5 Kb = 1.8 * 10^-5 Kw = 10^-14
Two tables required:
First table choose values of Vb = 1,,,40 (with intervals of 0.5) - Show corresponding values of H
Second table choose values of pH (= - logH) from 1-14 (with intervals of 0.1) - show coresponding values of Vb
A sample script would be most helpful (never used MATLAB before). Many thanks

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