How to get a minimal realization of the syms based expressions?

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I have a transfer function as a function of s, which is defined as syms real. The problem is the expression I am getting from the symbolic calculation has very high power terms in numerator as well as in denominator. I do not need this much accuracy, and the expression can be made simpler. Is there a command in MATLAB that simplifies the expression mentioned below?
syms s real
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Akzeptierte Antwort

Paul
Paul am 12 Jan. 2023
Hi Aditya
Have you considered converting TF to an lti system object? Better yet, is there really a need to use symbolic math at all. Most of the time, the problem can be just as easily solved using the tools in the Control System Toolbox. Here, I convert TF to a zpk object. The poles and zero of the zpk object seem to be an accruate representaion of those computed from TF.
syms s
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TF = 
[num,den] = numden(TF);
zeros = vpasolve(num)
zeros = 
poles = vpasolve(den)
poles = 
h = zpk(tf(sym2poly(num),sym2poly(den)))
h = 1.2358e17 (s-2.131e04) (s^2 - 5.52e05s + 2.375e11) (s^2 + 5.089e05s + 2.653e11) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (s^2 + 3059s + 3.47e10) (s^2 + 3072s + 8.182e10) (s^2 + 3059s + 7.777e11) (s^2 + 3072s + 1.834e12) Continuous-time zero/pole/gain model.
[z,p,k] = zpkdata(h);
format long e
z{:}
ans =
-2.544734719520047e+05 + 4.477991451989959e+05i -2.544734719520047e+05 - 4.477991451989959e+05i 2.759889219404971e+05 + 4.016319342509984e+05i 2.759889219404971e+05 - 4.016319342509984e+05i 2.131336803496136e+04 + 0.000000000000000e+00i
p{:}
ans =
-1.536179982370347e+03 + 1.354171582949840e+06i -1.536179982370347e+03 - 1.354171582949840e+06i -1.529485894465020e+03 + 8.818726433228665e+05i -1.529485894465020e+03 - 8.818726433228665e+05i -1.536179982370379e+03 + 2.860300807293112e+05i -1.536179982370379e+03 - 2.860300807293112e+05i -1.529485894465048e+03 + 1.862688588976629e+05i -1.529485894465048e+03 - 1.862688588976629e+05i
k
k =
1.235759403861116e+17
  3 Kommentare
Paul
Paul am 13 Jan. 2023
Bearbeitet: Paul am 13 Jan. 2023
You need to do some computations on TF in symbolic form? Well, I suppose you could write your own symbolic code to:
compute the poles and zeros of TF
decide which poles and zeros of TF are close enough to cancel each other
delete those poles and zeros and recombine what's left into a rational function
adjust the gain of the that result to match the orignal TF in whatever sense you think is important (dc gain, gain at specific frequency, etc.)
Having said all that, it doesn't really look like any poles and zeros are close enough to consider as cancellable, but I guess that's up to you. Are you sure you can't use TF as is?
Would you mind giving more insight into why you want to stay in the symbolic world?
Also, I just noticed that code in the Question specifies s to be real. Assuming we are both talking about the same meaning of "transfer function," s is complex.
syms s
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[num,den] = numden(TF);
h = zpk(tf(sym2poly(num),sym2poly(den)));
pzplot(h)
Walter Roberson
Walter Roberson am 13 Jan. 2023
Just in case there was precision problems in converting the large numbers:
syms s
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TF = 
[num,den] = numden(TF);
h = zpk(tf(sym2poly(num),sym2poly(den)));
pzplot(h)

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Walter Roberson
Walter Roberson am 13 Jan. 2023
syms x
TF = ((91*x^2)/50 - 2900*x + 5)/((743*x^2)/100 - (5011*x)/10 + 3)
TF = 
NUMBER_OF_DIGITS = 10; %as appropriate
[N,D] = numden(TF);
D_coeffs = sym2poly(D);
lead_D = D_coeffs(1);
reduced_N = N/lead_D;
reduced_D = D/lead_D;
reduced_TF = vpa(reduced_N / reduced_D, NUMBER_OF_DIGITS)
reduced_TF = 
reduced_TF is now in the canonical form that the leading coefficient of the denominator is 1

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